KJK and the H Word

aka "Posie Parker and the Mythical Meeting with The Heritage Foundation"

Dec 28, 2022

Who is Kellie-Jay Keen aka “Posie Parker”?

By the time I became aware that the world had gone stark, staring mad, Kellie-Jay Keen aka “Posie Parker” had already been banned from Mumsnet and Twitter.

(At the time of writing, she has been back on Twitter a matter of days, thanks to Elon Musk, after spending four years on the Naughty Step: @ThePosieParker )

If you do not know who Kellie-Jay Keen is, she has, in addition to Twitter and various other Social Media accounts:

a YouTube Channel: @KellieJayKeen
a website: StandingForWomen.com
an online campaign-materials shop: AdultHumanFemale.store
other links: https://lnk.bio/kelliejaykeen

While it would be fair to say that Kellie-Jay is a controversial figure, it is hard to think of anyone with a public face in the “Sex vs Gender Debate” who is not controversial. The subject itself is controversial and there are also disagreements within both camps.

The Mythical Meeting with The Heritage Foundation

The purpose of this post is to debunk the oft repeated myth that, on 28 January 2019, Kellie-Jay Keen “met with” or “had a meeting with” The Heritage Foundation in Washington DC.

This has been debunked many times before and some of those who perpetuate the myth are aware that they are not telling the truth. Others are simply repeating what they have been told or have read.

What I have to add to previous debunkings is a video clip and transcription of Kellie-Jay describing the meeting that she did attend, which was with parents of both “ROGD children” and detransitioners.

It is this meeting that is persistently misrepresented as being “with the Heritage Foundation”.

I will also mention two other events that took place in Washington DC in January 2019 that are erroneously cited as “evidence” that Kellie-Jay “met with the Heritage Foundation”. These are:

27 January - “We Need To Talk” panel discussion at Washington DC Public Library, organised by the Women’s Liberation Front (WoLF) and chaired by Kellie-Jay Keen as part of the Global Week of Action #WomenStandUp
28 January - “The Inequality of the Equality Act: Concerns from the Left” panel discussion organised by parents and hosted by The Heritage Foundation, which Kellie-Jay Keen attended as a member of the audience

What I am not going to do is address how these misrepresentations came about, nor who is responsible for perpetuating these myths, nor what their motivations might be. Those issues are as much of an irrelevant distraction now as they were in January 2019.

EDIT: It seems that, for clarity, it would helpful if I linked to the source of these misrepresentations. That blog post has been archived here: https://archive.ph/xNK6D

There is a lot of background and context to Kellie-Jay’s meeting with those parents but this is what she has said about it, repeatedly.

“Standing For Women and With Parents - Kellie-Jay Keen”

(This is a clip from a longer video that is on Kellie-Jay’s YouTube channel.)

Transcript of relevant section, from 84 seconds

“If you guys don't know this I will repeat it again. I'll repeat it again.

I went to the United States of America three years ago, and I went to the Heritage Foundation. I just went. I wasn't invited. It wasn't my event.

It was somebody else's event and the person hosting this event was hosting it on behalf of parents. It was an actual parent who organized the entire event.

Now, I went into this huge room, at the Heritage Foundation, not where the Panel was, but at the Heritage Foundation as a guest of these women.

And I thought that they were part of the Heritage Foundation, so when they went in and they were all saying, "Oh, Posy Parker!" and, "I can't believe you're here!" I was thinking, "Ah! I didn't realize that right-wing Christians were such a massive fan of mine!"

And then I sat down and I introduced myself, because we were all asked to introduce ourselves and why we're there. And I said something quite quick and then it went round the table. And, every, some of those women could could barely speak.

And some of those women were, just, so in the grip of grief, I can't, I can't tell you. I mean, maybe I'm quite lucky that I've never been in a room like it before or since. But, I felt guilty, or even welling up when they were telling their stories.

Because who the hell am I, who the hell am I, when these women are talking about their daughter's wombs being removed, their daughter's having voices they'll never hear their daughter's voices again.

I mean these things I don't think we even think about: they will never hear the true voice of their daughters ever again once they take testosterone.

They will never see their daughter's face as it should be ever again once they take testosterone. They will never again see their daughters with healthy bodies the way they are supposed to be once they take testosterone, once they have surgeries.

Let me tell you, parents, I would never, ever, ever dare to tell you how I think you should speak about your children or to your children when you are facing something that, dear god, and I don't even believe in god, but dear god I hope I never have to face.

So I want to make that very clear. When it comes to who I stand with, those women in that room that day, honestly I can't, those women in that room that day, I stand with them, before I stand with nearly anyone, I stand with them.

So I just want to make that clear that it’s, it’s not even, I'm not even, it's no hesitation. I will, look, I would I would sell my soul to the devil himself, and I don't believe in god, but I would sell my soul to the devil himself if it meant I could save any one of my children from this cult.”

This is the first time I have been able to transcribe Kellie-Jay’s account of that meeting because on other occasions she has broken down in tears trying to talk about it.

Or did she do a Thought Crime?

When I posted that video clip and transcript on Twitter, this section was picked out as confirmation that Kellie-Jay had intended and expected and had been invited to attend a meeting with “hard line Christian conservatives” who run The Heritage Foundation:

Now, I went into this huge room, at the Heritage Foundation, not where the Panel was, but at the Heritage Foundation as a guest of these women.
And I thought that they were part of the Heritage Foundation, so when they went in and they were all saying, "Oh, Posy Parker!" and, "I can't believe you're here!" I was thinking, "Ah! I didn't realize that right-wing Christians were such a massive fan of mine!"

What I see and hear when I watch that video is Kellie-Jay cracking an off-the-cuff joke, about the pleased reactions of the parents who had organised the Panel Discussion “The Inequality of the Equality Act: Concerns from the Left” and who had invited her to their meeting immediately following the Panel Discussion.

Kellie-Jay jokes that she understood, incorrectly but understandably since the Panel and meeting both took place at The Heritage Foundation, that the parents who invited her to their meeting were “right-wing Christians” and “part of” The Heritage Foundation.

Is it likely that Kellie-Jay thought she had been invited to “meet The Heritage Foundation”?

This seems unlikely for the following reasons:

I have heard her talk about this meeting several times and never gained that impression
The Heritage Foundation issued a statement to NBC News clarifying that they had had no contact with Kellie-Jay Keen (Keen-Minshull) or Long (Dr Julia Long) either before or after the Panel Discussion (“our Jan. 28 event”)

“A spokesperson from the Heritage Foundation said the organization had “nothing to do with” Keen-Minshull and Long being in the U.S. and had "no contact with them before or after our Jan. 28 event, and have zero connection to anything they did afterward."

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/prominent-transgender-activist-harassed-anti-trans-feminists-video-shows-n966061

Was the mother who organised the Panel Discussion at The Heritage Foundation a “right-wing Christian”?

Simple answer: No

Maybe a “hard line Christian conservative”? No.

The mother describes herself as a “Lifelong Democrat”.

The host of the meeting at the Heritage Foundation refers to her as a “Progressive”.

“the host at the Heritage Foundation, Ryan T. Anderson, explained that the event had only come about once a progressive mother, whose autistic daughter has identified as a boy for the past four years, contacted him saying she’d been ignored by liberal organizations and media.

“As a lifelong Democrat I am outraged by my former party and find it ironic that only conservative news outlets have reported my story without bias or censorship,” the mother, who wished to remain anonymous to protect her daughter’s privacy but is known to National Review, wrote.

Anderson introduced the event by acknowledging that while he and the panel and audience likely disagreed on a range of issues from abortion to taxes, “If ‘gender identity’ becomes a protected class in federal civil-rights law, there will be serious negative consequences. That’s where we agree. And that’s where we can work together.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/gender-identity-ideology-honest-inquiry-demonized/

“For those wondering about the event Monday at the Heritage Foundation: Some of our members agreed to participate in an event requested, and set up free of charge at a venue with excellent security, by the parents of ROGD young people and detransitioners. The parents themselves often hesitate to be public for the sake of their children’s privacy. Part of the event will include a reading of some of their anonymized letters.”

Natasha Chart, Women’s Liberation Front (WoLF)
Sunday 27 Jan 2019
(extract from Facebook Post on Venice Allen’s “We Need To Talk” Page)

Allegations Debunked

Kellie-Jay Keen (KJK) attended a Discussion Panel “The Inequality of the Equality Act: Concerns from the Left” that took place at The Heritage Foundation on 28 Jan 2019 as a member of the audience. However, she was NOT invited by The Heritage Foundation to attend, to Chair or be a Panel member.
KJK was NOT invited by The Heritage Foundation to attend “a meeting with The Heritage Foundation” on 28 Jan 2019 - no such meeting was planned and no such meeting took place.
KJK and The Heritage Foundation have both made public statements confirming that they had no contact with each other at all before 28 Jan 2019 and that The Heritage Foundation did NOT fund any aspect of KJK’s trip to the USA. Neither did they fund anyone else who travelled from the UK to the USA as part of the “Women Stand Up” Global Week of Action 26th Jan - 2nd Feb 2019
KJK was invited by the parents who had requested and organised the Discussion Panel “The Inequality of the Equality Act: Concerns from the Left” to attend a meeting with them on 28 Jan 2019 at The Heritage Foundation.
The mother who asked The Heritage Foundation to host the Discussion Panel “The Inequality of the Equality Act: Concerns from the Left” describes herself as “a lifelong Democrat . . . ignored by liberal organizations and media”.
Natasha Chart alludes to the reason why the Panel Discussion on 28 Jan 2019 took place at The Heritage Foundation, ie. because it was “a venue with excellent security”. The parents have explained elsewhere that organisations and venues that they had previously approached were reluctant, or refused, to host them due to being unable to guarantee the personal safety of attendees and security of their premises.
The four members of the Discussion Panel “The Inequality of the Equality Act: Concerns from the Left” on 28 Jan 2019 were all “from the Left” and consisted of three radical feminists and one male detransitioner.
The initiative to host the Discussion Panel “The Inequality of the Equality Act: Concerns from the Left” on 28 Jan 2019 did not come from The Heritage Foundation and/or the Women’s Liberation Front (WoLF) and/or KJK: it came from left-leaning, politically “progressive” parents of ROGD young people and detransitioners.